Joined by two of the most well respected folks in the growth space, this episode is an honest take on how even the best make progress in situations of high ambiguity. There's a strong narrative that exists that drives people to focus too much having perfect data to make decisions, building an explicit system before getting started with growth, and so much more. In this episode, Morgan Brown (VP of Growth at Shopify + Author of Hacking Growth), Thibault Imbert (VP of Growth at Github and most recently was Director of Growth at Adobe for 4 years), and Matt give listeners a look into how to cut through the noise of a perfect system and find ways to make an impact.