This episode breaks down how to use the pandemic-era-crypto-mania as a framework for assessing sketchy financial investments. To unpack the topic, Nicole is talking to someone unexpected: Ben McKenzie.

You might be surprised to hear Ben's name in connection with this conversation - and if you are, he gets it. Most people know Ben from starring in the TV show The O.C., and fewer people know him from his economics degree. But both are on his resume. Nicole and Ben talk about the systemic issues that made them both skeptical of crypto from the jump, Ben's meeting with the infamous Sam Bankman Fried, and how to look for financial red flags.