Jonathan and Brett are fired up about an article by Janet Choi, Head of Content at Clearbit, titled "Know you hand-raisers: why marketing to your user base isn't working anymore." What is hand-raiser and what makes someone raise their hand? Why aren't users also your buyers? Why is PLG (product-led growth) the future of B2B SaaS? In this episode, your favorite modern-day marketer duo tackles these complex questions.