Whether we're being picky eaters as kids refusing to eat our broccoli, or as grown-up employees pushing back on back-to-office rules, as humans, we resist mandates.

That's why, rather than taking a top-down authoritarian approach, Karen Mangia, VP of Customer and Market Insights at Salesforce and author of Success From Anywhere, encourages us to lead by finding shared values.

Karen joined Shane for this live podcast recording at Thrive, our annual gathering of HR leaders that recently took place in Austin, Texas. Listen to hear them discuss leading by values, creating meaning at work, and how to make your company a community where people find belonging.